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Baker Briefing | China Studies | Podcast

As the US Steps Back, Can China Fill the Void?

May 26, 2025 | Steven W. Lewis, David M. Satterfield
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Steven W. Lewis

C.V. Starr Transnational China Fellow

David M. Satterfield

Director, Baker Institute for Public Policy | Janice and Robert McNair Chair in Public Policy

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“The Chinese government isn’t very popular around the world, and neither is Xi Jinping. If we do look at things like the metrics about soft power, China does rank very, very highly in technology … But China is largely surpassing because it’s making enormous investments in [science and technology] and mainly through universities. But if we look at other areas like entertainment, like political values, values of individual liberty, things like this ... people tend to look through the United States.”

— Steven W. Lewis, Ph.D., C.V. Starr Transnational China Fellow, Baker Institute

About the Episode

In its first months, the second Trump administration has disrupted the alliances, institutions, and norms that have shaped U.S. foreign policy for decades — imposing tariffs on nearly every trading partner, downplaying military commitments, and effectively dismantling the U.S. Agency for International Development. As the United States steps back from a global order it largely built, China is attempting to fill the void.

Steven W. Lewis, director of the Baker Institute China Studies Program, joined “Baker Briefing” to discuss what China’s global soft power campaign looks like and how successful it’s proven thus far.

This conversation was recorded on May 13, 2025. 

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A full transcript of this episode is available here. This transcript was AI-generated and has not been through editorial review.

About ‘Baker Briefing’

Hosted by David M. Satterfield,  the “Baker Briefing” podcast delivers timely analysis on breaking policy developments and other critical policy issues of the day in conversations with experts at the Baker Institute. New episodes are released weekly.

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