As the US Steps Back, Can China Fill the Void?
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Steven W. Lewis
C.V. Starr Transnational China FellowDavid M. Satterfield
Director, Baker Institute for Public Policy | Janice and Robert McNair Chair in Public Policy“The Chinese government isn’t very popular around the world, and neither is Xi Jinping. If we do look at things like the metrics about soft power, China does rank very, very highly in technology … But China is largely surpassing because it’s making enormous investments in [science and technology] and mainly through universities. But if we look at other areas like entertainment, like political values, values of individual liberty, things like this ... people tend to look through the United States.”
— Steven W. Lewis, Ph.D., C.V. Starr Transnational China Fellow, Baker Institute
About the Episode
In its first months, the second Trump administration has disrupted the alliances, institutions, and norms that have shaped U.S. foreign policy for decades — imposing tariffs on nearly every trading partner, downplaying military commitments, and effectively dismantling the U.S. Agency for International Development. As the United States steps back from a global order it largely built, China is attempting to fill the void.
Steven W. Lewis, director of the Baker Institute China Studies Program, joined “Baker Briefing” to discuss what China’s global soft power campaign looks like and how successful it’s proven thus far.
This conversation was recorded on May 13, 2025.
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